Well I worked with the student senate when I first came,
so that would have been '79, and then I started to be advisor to the student body president in 1984
when I became the interim director and then the director of student development.
The senate role was attending their meetings
that last till 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning
Yes, and I think they've gotten a little better at not going quite so late.
But then when I became director of student development
the assistant director became the senate advisor and then I started working with the student body president
and worked very closely with that person up until my retirement,
and just met an incredible, wonderful, diverse array of student body presidents
and it's terrific for me that the library has put some energy into putting their names and their histories online.
So they're really an extraordinary group of young people,
and the fact that our student body president has a vote and a seat on the board of trustees is a really, really big deal,
so they're having some experiences that I think are really remarkable from a policy-making point of view,
the fact that they've got a vote. They've got a vote on tuition and fees and whether or not to hire an athletic coach,
whether or not to fire an athletic coach; I mean they're really behind the scenes with the vote on really big decisions that impact NC State and life here.