But I learned a lot too from the adult leadership at the university.
As student body president I met every week with the chancellor, the president of the faculty senate, and myself, three of us,
and I learned a lot about the issues that the university was facing, why they tried to do certain things, why they couldn't do certain things that we students wanted.
I learned about team leadership, how you have to work together to get things done.
I recall being student body president when NC State was put on probation by the NCAA for basketball recruiting violations.
That was one of the toughest times in the history of the university.
We recruited a student named Jackie Moreland from Louisiana who was a great basketball player.
Unfortunately we also offered a scholarship to his girlfriend
that we were going to pay for, not exactly within the rules.
Another occasion, I think another year, perhaps the year before that, and for that violation they almost threatened to kick us out of the NCAA.
Not just put us on probation, throw us out.
I think it was the year before that that we had recruiting violations, and I think all five players that we recruited, probably all from Indiana,
they told us we couldn't take any of them because we'd violated the rules of recruiting. It was tough. State was maybe the best basketball program in America,
but boy, we were aggressive in trying to get the best players and we violated plenty of rules. Now we have maybe the cleanest program. [Laughs]