It's the whole experience.
I mean it's-. I don't see NC State
and in that sense I probably-again I'm not saying one's right or wrong, I just probably view it differently.
You can't be student body president-. You're not student body president of the school of design, you're student body president of the university,
and that really gave me a broad exposure to the university, the interaction with the administration
But this experience of interfacing with the governor and the legislature and alumni on the name change, this experience in the studio of how do you put a building together
and how do you go about that, and this experience of how do you learn to think
and develop creative energies to do that;
all of those, I wouldn't say any one of them has a specific, defining moment.
I'd say it's cumulative,
and I'd also say a lot of it doesn't settle in-.
It doesn't all settle in until later.